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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:28:09 -
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The entire mechanic of SKINS is already at odds with the fundamental nature of eve; they are tied to a single character, cannot be traded, and cannot be destroyed. The reason for this is simply so that CCP can break into the pandas online demographic and gain an extra revenue stream at the expense of the eve universe.
Taking the next step and disregarding the lore and credibility of the eve universe by proliferating these skins randomly onto any and every ship will be a step too far.
Be happy with the skins you have, you have got what you wanted and CCP can increase their revenue, with at the moment only a minimal negative impact onto the wider game. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.03 14:42:00 -
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chelly Dian wrote:Tread lightly Darwin.
Because if you simply "patch the bug" and tell user base to "have patience while CCP rolles out all planed changes in apropriate manner" you might see Darwinism at work.
Where many small organisms organize in order to bring down a larger organism.
I would suggest "fixing" performance issues on current skins and letting them be used by general public in manner they see fit.
But then again you might take hard road and ... yeah. Not looking forward to that scenario.
I would suggest CCP do not give into the petulant children that would still scream and throw toys out the pram until they can repaint the entire eve universe.
This thread is over 48 hours old now and still not even in double digits, so there certainly isn't a threadnought of demand from the entire playerbase asking for this change, it is just a couple of self entitled snow flakes repeatedly posting.
I would suggest most of us actually want CCP to quickly resolve this issue and restore the integrity of the skin system so that we can have a bit of consistency and people feel confident to actually go out and buy the skins. The bank holiday weekend should have been a good time for people to buy into this, but unfortunately due to this bug people will undoubtedly be holding off any purchase until this is properly resolved.
Most people understand this for what it is, which is another revenue stream for CCP, hopefully to contribute back towards further development of the game. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.03 16:25:13 -
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Mehashi 'Kho wrote:Moac Tor wrote:
This thread is over 48 hours old now and still not even in double digits, so there certainly isn't a threadnought of demand from the entire playerbase asking for this change, it is just a couple of self entitled snow flakes repeatedly posting.
I would suggest most of us actually want CCP to quickly resolve this issue...
Far from it, there are others like me who have been having so much fun with this feature that we have been logged in playing and not reading forums for a change. Ive been fairly disaffected by eve the last couple of months, happens to all of us now and then, logging in less and less, yet since this feature I have been logging in every day, just enjoying flying my police myrmidon, or blood raiders cynabal just for the fun of flying it, even if there is nothing to do. I wouldn't have engaged with skins and appreciated that work and content going by their old prices ever above the 50-100 mil pricepoint, so I am really glad even for a few days to experience some fun gameplay without the prohibitive cost. I haven't felt so enthusiastic about playing eve in a long time. Absolutely gutted that this will be patched. You can't have player customisation but still try to cling to rigid ideas of racial themes in any way that will make that customisation meaningful. The focus seems to be on bringing isk in for ccp I get that, but as someone who is already a bit disengaged with the game atm, this kind of thing could have been a motivator to re-engage and extend my sub. The prices I see on market for the larger skins are ludicrous, so once patched this whole thing becomes totally irrelevant to any ongoing interest in the feature I may have had. It has been a fun few days while it lasted anyway.
This is the kind of fun which is similar to the fun they had when they made every character in WOW level 80. Yes, it is fun for a few days, and the kids get to try out all the toys, but then once novelty has worn off your left with a poor game. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 00:10:52 -
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Does anyone realistically expect CCP to release all their skins, slash the prices they are asking, and then make them available on any ship? That is certainly what some of you sound like you are asking for; if so you are going to be disappointed as it is simply not going to happen.
What you need to remember, like a drug company that spends thousands on research and development, when they eventually discover the drug, they don't simply sell it off at production cost do they. No, they try to recoup all the time and resources invested into the discovery of the drug which was the difficult part.
This ships skins thing is no different, anyone who has been following will know that CCP have had this in the works for quite some time now. I am sure many of us had realised that once CCP had the mechanic in place, then the actual creation of the assets was not going to be the difficult part.
The business model is also perfectly reasonable, with many of the skins priced at under $10, and some for as little as $3.50 for a permanent skin. The comparisons being made between skins and the summer of rage are massively exaggerated and dramatic. With incarna CCP was taking the game in a completely different direction, this skin thing is simply a side project with the rest of the game staying on the rails travelling towards seagulls vision.
Give CCP a break and let them fix this bug. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 03:34:34 -
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I would extend the SKINs we have at the moment to affect the hull type, rather than the specific ship. So for instance as mentioned, a vexor skin would apply to vexors and ishtars. That would be a fair compromise in my opinion to both the player base and to CCP.
The only exception would be for any faction ship such as pirate and navy ships. They should always retain their unique iconic scheme for consistency.
Pricing is a difficult issue, but I think there should be some sort of method just so that it makes sense to players. In general the trend should be that the larger the class of ship the more expensive the scheme. At the moment there are some extreme examples of frigates costing as much as a capital ship skin which I think is what some people are disliking. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:00:45 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:so a quafe skin for instance lets you fly a quafe tristan, catalyst, vexor, dominix, megathron, thanatos, nyx and obelisk. Convert injected licenses which are now duplicates back into items on the redemption queue.
Did you just buy the quafe Tristan by any chance..?
Nice try there. *winks* |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:21:22 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:so a quafe skin for instance lets you fly a quafe tristan, catalyst, vexor, dominix, megathron, thanatos, nyx and obelisk. Convert injected licenses which are now duplicates back into items on the redemption queue. Did you just buy the quafe Tristan by any chance..? Nice try there. *winks* Tristan and Vexor as it happens, just because I don't think anyone can make the current Dominix model look good.
Yes, but when they finally release this new dominix model that shouldn't be an issue as the concepts of it look great.
But on topic, whatever they do they need to not annoy the people who have already invested in skins. If you check the market people have paid billions for the Quafe battleships, so obviously you cant compare that with a Tristan which is only 200mil at the moment. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:31:26 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Stuff gets devalued in games sometimes, that's fine. Just make the announcement ahead of time and we have no excuse.
Indeed, if you want a great way to undermine confidence in a new system and to make sure that people who have bought into it never purchase another skin again then you've hit the nail on the head with your suggestion.
*chuckles* |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 15:39:34 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:All I can say right now is that your questions and concerns have been taken on board, and we had a super healthy discussion about all this today, where everyone involved within CCP is very much on the same page  As long as being on the same page includes not devaluing the 30+ Quafe skins I'm hanging on to, I don't much care what you come up with. Mr Epeen 
On a serious note though Falcon, can you confirm that you are not going to devalue the existing skins which people have already bought into?
Just that guarantee from yourself would just restore a bit of confidence in the current system so that people will continue to buy. Right now everyone is holding off making purchases due to the fact that things are up in the air.
I'm not asking for full details obviously. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.04 17:49:40 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:It's not up to CCP to protect the value of your investments, it's up to you to invest intelligently. You're not stupid, if an asset is going to tank in value, dump it.
I'm looking at the bigger picture here. This is about confidence in the system. If you want people to buy into something then they need to be confident that everything isn't going to suddenly change a couple of weeks later and they are left out of pocket.
If you come to me and buy a new car for -ú10,000, and then next month you found out that I sold the exact same model of car to your friend for -ú5,000, your going to have no confidence in buying from me again.
Some variation is of course reasonable, but you have to keep it within reasonable limits if you don't want people to lose all confidence and never buy again. |
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.20 12:59:42 -
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Shailagh wrote:On test server: Maurader T2 BS skins. Kronos has Police skin and freaking Blood Raider Paladin..
This means ccp crunched data after "bug weekend" and found the most popular skins and biggest request, mauraders, and now trying to capitalize heavily on it.
Ccp this is like the opposite of what you should be doing.
They should be giving away all of the Skins for the price of one right? How dare they try and make money by provide something that people have been asking for. (end of sarcasm)
Joking aside, it is mainly just the same few people keeping this thread alive, and asking for something which is completely unreasonable given that CCP has spent months working on and implementing this new system.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.21 17:24:14 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:Dev blog on Shaders/Textures, but we've officially passed week TWO of no Dev Blog on Skins that was Promised by CCP Falcon. Funny that isn't it. While a skin bug might well be the difference between life and death for you, it's likely way down the list of priorities for CCP. There are all kinds of things I'd like to see focused on that have actual relevance to the game instead of what you see when spinning your ship. Take a deep breath and accept that just because you have a want and no one jumps to kiss your ass immediately when you cry and stomp your feet, that it's not being looked at by CCP. It is. Just HTFU about it. Mr Epeen But Falcon promised! ! They shouldn't have promised and had a big meeting about it then.
Now we are getting some real content with V5++. This is what CCP should be focusing on, not ship SKINs. This will make a big difference to everyone and is for the overall benefit of the game. I'd much rather see CCP focusing on stuff like this than vanity items. |
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